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Post by puntkicker on Nov 16, 2017 2:22:27 GMT -5
Folks, thanks to Franz or Respect or someone, I had the pleasure of viewing this. It's interesting to see what kind of degenerates you're being portrayed as(and some of you likely are, just for reasons usually not related to studies lol). I could say much, much more, but would rather see what you guinea piggers have to say about this. You're the "ISIS"(false flag foe) of the clinical trial world. Do you feel as scary as they try to make you sound? The gloves aren't coming off yet, but I'm starting to get close thanks to a number of you who are riling me up with your discontent(and the few trolls who ask about this company). Clinics might do better paying us more, and/or improving the conditions/food we endure, than paying companies that sell fear. EDIT: for some reason the site isnt letting me embed video like I have in the past, so a hyperlink will do for now: www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j38uI7Qet4 |
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Post by David Grey on Nov 16, 2017 9:09:26 GMT -5
Can you please try to private message each other again - I believe our technology team fixed the issue.
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FloridaGirl
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I am new to Phase 1 clinical trials so I am trying to learn as much as I can .
Posts: 160
Location: Florida
I mainly do: Healthy Studies
# of studies I have done: 3
A little about me: I am just getting started in clinical trials . Became unemployed and was doing small outpatient studies until someone told me about Covance and it has ed up a new world of making money.
So I am trying to do more inpatient studies and am hoping to do even more next year.
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Post by FloridaGirl on Nov 16, 2017 10:46:31 GMT -5
Well considering they need us plz i am not a guinea pigger I am a healthy participant because I am willing to stay healthy ( eat good no drugs at all) so i do not like that term.
But if we can not screen for more than one study it cuts back on our income.
You can screen and not get in and then u have wasted precious screening time..
Lets say i screen for one study and then wait two weeks to see if I get in and I dont then i need to find another study which could take weeks so I think multiple screenings but then only doing one study is fair.
It is ok for them, they are not out anything and then if yr an alternate or get sent home they dont care they just say sorry.
So that is my only issue, i have no problem waiting 30 days between dosing.
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Post by David Grey on Nov 16, 2017 10:52:57 GMT -5
hi Florida Girl - I want to clarify soing with you as I value your input in this website. VCT does NOT make the rules about dual screening. In fact the system is completely informational to the research site. It is the site decision to allow dual screening and MOSTLY ALL DO. VCT helps ensure subjects are NOT dual enrolling or violating the specific study's washout period. Thanks for your participation on this website. In the short time that I have taken over, its become apparent that you bring a lot to this community.
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Post by franz on Nov 24, 2017 10:52:52 GMT -5
Folks, thanks to Franz or Respect or someone, I had the pleasure of viewing this. It's interesting to see what kind of degenerates you're being portrayed as(and some of you likely are, just for reasons usually not related to studies lol). I could say much, much more, but would rather see what you guinea piggers have to say about this. You're the "ISIS"(false flag foe) of the clinical trial world. Do you feel as scary as they try to make you sound? The gloves aren't coming off yet, but I'm starting to get close thanks to a number of you who are riling me up with your discontent(and the few trolls who ask about this company). Clinics might do better paying us more, and/or improving the conditions/food we endure, than paying companies that sell fear. EDIT: for some reason the site isnt letting me embed video like I have in the past, so a hyperlink will do for now: www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j38uI7Qet4If you think that one's bad... www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_k-ktAgBBU |
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Post by mike on Nov 26, 2017 17:39:53 GMT -5
There is so much hype, hysteria, and BS with this; My primary income has been from studies for about 10 years now, and I have seen very few instances of this kind of misbehavior. First of all, I am leery of anyone who claims that they did not take the study medication as they were supposed to, if you do this the clinic will quickly realize what you are doing, most likely kick you from the study, and most likely ban you.
And I am sure there are a few people who double enroll in violation of washout periods or actually are in 2 studies at the same time, but for me personally I never found this idea attractive, in addition to the health risks from multiple drugs, I don't want to spend the excessive amount of time being in house in clinics as well as too many outpatients. And my arms get tired of all the sticks, I can't see doubling down on that either.
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Post by puntkicker on Nov 27, 2017 2:22:35 GMT -5
You're right about being leery. Do decision makers actually this? Doesnt it sound coached or even scripted to anyone else, like in the 2nd video where the guy explains he doesnt feel guilty because it's the fault of the clinic for not doing research on who he is? The truth out of him was when he said the doctor is getting triple that, although he was actually being conservative with his estimate. What entage of studies are dose at home anyhow? An honor system there sounds like it has problems that VCT does not even address...it can't make "Patient A"(tm) take his meds, can it? I havent been in any that rely on honor when it comes to dosing, and they generally know the exact level in me with all the blood draws they do, as well as more about me than I know about myself. There are literally studies that know exactly how much you sh**, and how many pieces of TP you used to wipe....maybe that's the other part of the inspiration behind 2Wipes1Cup's screen name? How does the guy lie about his name and age? That 70-80k sounds nice, it sounds like maybe we should hang out at the clinics that tool does. Notice how he said, "It's what they" do(instead of "we"), after just a moment earlier saying it was what he did. I'm not sure what it means, but I find some of this suspect, at best. To her credit, whatever I remember from Kerri seemed mostly on target(I'm a bit distracted though, so I dont recall much of it). The funny example stuck with me, of course the more doubting among us realize that that is a known sales technique as well. Of course I'm reaching the wrong audience here, but I'm a bit offended being lumped in with these clowns whether theyre real or not. Oh yeah, the people in the videos too, not just you folks. ![:)]() Where did they find these people to interview? Look, I can live with making a commercial, but I find irony that these commercials selling integrity by appearances lack it. Reminds me of those Dateline or whatever weekly primetime news show stories when the web was newer, about what a dangerous and scary place it was....especially the melodrama in the last few seconds of the 2nd video. It wasn't Fistinman or PaupuaNewGuineaPig returning 5 days early from their washout period(or even those people on the video, actors or not) that caused Vioxx and others to kill so many real victims. Fear sells, but to quote a real news person, "Gimme a break". I'm really trying to laugh off how these people make us out to be, those of us who do travel state to state as "professional guinea piggers" yet follow the abitrary 30 rule along with all the others, whether or not we're forced. I believe we're the vast majority, but the commercials dont say that. |
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Post by puntkicker on Nov 27, 2017 2:48:47 GMT -5
Well considering they need us plz i am not a guinea pigger I am a healthy participant because I am willing to stay healthy ( eat good no drugs at all) so i do not like that term. But if we can not screen for more than one study it cuts back on our income. You can screen and not get in and then u have wasted precious screening time.. Lets say i screen for one study and then wait two weeks to see if I get in and I dont then i need to find another study which could take weeks so I think multiple screenings but then only doing one study is fair. It is ok for them, they are not out anything and then if yr an alternate or get sent home they dont care they just say sorry. So that is my only issue, i have no problem waiting 30 days between dosing. That's just the thing...there isn't really any "us" they need. We aren't a union, and there's a fresh sea of faces to replace us on any whim, until either side gets tired of they in turn are replaced. Yeah, the videos have me in a mood I suppose. I probably should log off. |
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Post by mike on Nov 27, 2017 3:11:00 GMT -5
Yeah the people in the video seem like mediocre actors playing a fictional part, and in 10 years of studies I have not done a single dose at home study.
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FloridaGirl
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I am new to Phase 1 clinical trials so I am trying to learn as much as I can .
Posts: 160
Location: Florida
I mainly do: Healthy Studies
# of studies I have done: 3
A little about me: I am just getting started in clinical trials . Became unemployed and was doing small outpatient studies until someone told me about Covance and it has ed up a new world of making money.
So I am trying to do more inpatient studies and am hoping to do even more next year.
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Post by FloridaGirl on Nov 27, 2017 11:45:04 GMT -5
Can you please try to private message each other again - I believe our technology team fixed the issue. |
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FloridaGirl
Full Member
I am new to Phase 1 clinical trials so I am trying to learn as much as I can .
Posts: 160
Location: Florida
I mainly do: Healthy Studies
# of studies I have done: 3
A little about me: I am just getting started in clinical trials . Became unemployed and was doing small outpatient studies until someone told me about Covance and it has ed up a new world of making money.
So I am trying to do more inpatient studies and am hoping to do even more next year.
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Post by FloridaGirl on Nov 27, 2017 11:46:03 GMT -5
Yes Kerri we can private message again thank you for fixing it.  |
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Post by Camps out on Dec 18, 2017 13:44:20 GMT -5
Ah, the dark side of studies! That video didn't take much responsibility for a flawed system did it. Of course there's unethical actions going on, on BOTH sides. And there always will be with so much money involved. We all know they can't predict for sure if a short term study won't have long-term health effects. But us "guinea-piggers" (a term they would never use in a recruitment video) enable them to get their product to market. And if it kills people later on (like Vioxx) then they can just recall it because they've already made their billions. However, I've met many sincere and dedicated people on both sides that do their job with integrity. I guess it's all in how you see it.
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