in need for some info on how to lower my liver enzymes.

[lacme4]

Hi fellow lab rats.  I really need a hand in lowering my ggt levels which is a liver enzyme. I been using milk thistle and it doesnt seem to  work.  If anyone could lead me in the right direction i would really appreciate it.  I havent done a study for a while and gettin pretty desperate.  If you do know of anything i could take to lower it to normal it would help. Just let me know what it is and if you ever used it before.  Hope i can hear soing soon. Thanks. 

[hairyscarylarry]

I had a liver enzyme issue once.

I was a few pounds short of the minimum BMI for a study and I needed to gain 3 pounds in less than a week. So my brilliant self decided to eat Burger King, Culvers, Wendys, custard very high in saturated fat and heavily buttered homemade garlic bread.

I normally eat 90% organic and very 'clean.'

Well... yes... I did gain those 3 pounds to get my BMI up.

BUT... then my liver enzymes got elevated. They actually gave me some slip and said I needed to get approval from my doctor before I could do another study. It took 4 1/2 MONTHS (not weeks) to get my liver enzymes back to normal!

I would look at your diet. That's what messed up my levels.

[lacme4]

My diet is perfect. I dont eat anthing but chicken and veggies all plain. I dont do anything with beef or butter or anything like that. I just need to find a suppliment that will work on my ggt so it can go down. My alt and my other enzymes are fine. Its just my ggt liver enzyme that is the problem. If there is anything that anyone knows or even knows a friend of a friend and knows that it works if so  plez tell me. I need to do a study and havent done one for a while. My diet is perfect.

[lacme4]

Well i dont drink at all and i dont exercise either. There is a lot of i donts i can tell you. I feel like a monk some times. I only drink water, no sodas. I dont even eat beef or red meats at all. Its mainly chicken , ham , or tuna. I eat brown rice, or whole wheat anything. I also eat lots of veggies with no butter just plain.
There is alot of peeps with my ggt problem. They usual take milk thistle but i cant seem to get it to work. I took milk thistle for so long at one time and it made me have the runs. Still my ggt liver enzyme was high. There is never issues with my alt or ast. Those are the other enzymes that they test for also. I am looking for any suppliment that can work. All i need is it to go down 30 points. I think my last ggt level was at 81. Also if i have to go meatless for a while i will do it. I dont want to stay a vegitarian but will give it up at least until i screen. I hope someone can help. Thanks

[mike]

I know it's not likely because of how healthy you eat, but are you overweight? what is your BMI? I'm just wondering if possibly a fatty liver could explain the high enzymes.

[lacme4]

I am in the range of 18 - 32 for my bmi. Yes i do need to lose a few pounds but i can get in at my weight. I really dont think its that. I am at 190# I am 5 '7'. Does anyone know anything or know some one that had high liver enzymes and took soing to help. I dont mind the questions but i do need to know as soon as possible. I know the answer is out there. I saw that pillpopper2 asked the same question and he got an answer but never said what it was. If anyone knows him ask him so i can find out. Plez and thank you.

[lacme4]

Well Leopold first off i am not fat and i said i need to lose a few pounds but i can get in studies with a bmi of 29.75. However for some reason my ggt no matter what i weigh is always high. I weighed less before and still it was high. I dont eat red meats, beef, hell i even stopped exercising and drinking to do studies. I drink water all day long no teas, sodas, cranberry juice nothing but water. Also i eat chicken and veggies very healthy. I might have a chicken sand for lunch but still its chicken i eat. Like i said i do need to lose yes but i dont think thats what it is. I am looking for that magic pill for sure. The milk thistle doesnt help. I have took milk thistle in many ways : Organic, non organic, powder, pill, i even tried liquid and still nothing. Milk thistle bites and i am looking for that pill that will help. I havent lied about anything on here. I am straight up and telling you what i am doing. I just need someone that can steer me in the right direction. Personally i think its just genetics. It goes down when it wants to. The other enzymes are normal as can be. Even with genetics suppliments can help. I mean no one gets into every study. Unless they get a little help. I am not mad at you Leopold but ur not helping with what i already have knowledge of. Do i need to lose weight yes. Am i miepresenting myself no. Do i need a magic pill yes. Do i think milk thistle sucks yes. Just need a hand from someone out there that has had this problem. If your out there plez get in touch. Hell if you help out and it works i will put you down for my next referal. Thanks Leo for your comments

[mike]

Yeah not to be insulting but you are overweight (30 bmi is obese), and combined with your age; the older you are the more likely your liver is fatty and that is what is causing your problem. If you are in your late 30s or 40s then I will say that it is very likely.
From all the reading and research I have done in the past, supplements, herbal remedies, and "magic pills" are all at least 95% bullshit, wasted money, and possibly even harmful.

The hard truth is that almost assuredly no pill is going to solve your problem, but what will is losing at least 15 or 20 pounds.

[ac]

If you're BMI is 29.75 because you have more muscle than the average person then that's fine. If you don't have a lot of muscle then you need to accept that you're quite a bit overweight and that that is going to affect your health. Sorry, I don't know of any "magic pill".

[hairyscarylarry]

I agree with what 'ac' said above.

If you're NOT muscular and you don't work out... I would start. If you have Planet Fitness near you... they are inexpensive and deliver a pretty decent place to work out. Even cheaper, just walk around your neighborhood 30 minutes a day. Its a start.

Have you ever had your body fat entage tested? This is not the same as BMI. I'm suspecting that yours might be high... because a higher than normal range entage could very well explain a liver struggling to function properly.


Just because you do studies doesn't mean you need to stop working out. I just recently STARTED working out and my liver enzymes are still in range. I know people say working out can elevate liver enzymes. True... maybe if you aren't a runner and then you run a few miles right before you screen. Otherwise... I don't see it as a problem. Not for me anyway.

Best wishes to you.

[vark]

sounds like soing to talk to an actual doctor about.

[carmel]

A similar question was asked before. Go to: jalr.proboards.com/thread/111

Just to add... BMI can be misleading. Arnold Schwarzenegger's BMI is above 30. That would make him obese. Waist size is a more important factor. For lowering your liver enzymes try adding a teaspoon of lemon juice each day to one of your meals. Also eat fermented foods like kimchi or sauerkraut (not canned). You'll see old posts talking about milk thistle. I've done my research on that and there is no conclusive evidence that it actually works.

[respect]

Interpreting your blood test results

Doctors generally look first at the level of the liver enzyme GGT. Generally speaking in “normal liver function tests” the level of GGT is not greater than 45.

If your GGT is greater than 100, the doctor will look at the levels of the other liver enzymes to try and work out possible causes of liver damage. Let’s take a look at some possible combinations of abnormally high liver enzymes and what that could mean.

For example:

If your GGT is above 100, and your ALT is less than 80 and your ALP is less than 200
This could mean that:

You are drinking too much alcohol
You are taking recreational drugs such as ice or heroin
You have diabetes
You have a fatty liver
You have very high levels of the blood fat called triglycerides
You are taking certain prescribed drugs that have stimulated your liver to make more enzymes for example – barbiturates, benzodiazepines, anticonvulsants, warfarin, tricyclic antidepressants, paracetamol, pain or immunosuppressants.
Note: in some people it is normal for GGT levels to be as high as 120, with no liver problems being found.

If your GGT is above 100, and your ALT is less than 80 and your ALP is above 200
This could mean that:

The flow of bile is being slowed down or obstructed and this could be from a gall stone in the bile ducts, very inflamed bile ducts or a tumour inside the liver or a tumour outside the liver which is pressing on the bile ducts.
Excess drugs or alcohol can slow the flow of bile
Scarring of the liver (known as cirrhosis) can distort the bile ducts and cause slowing/obstruction to the flow of bile.
You have liver disease plus bone disease, as the enzyme ALP can also be elevated by some bone diseases
Note: when the flow of bile is obstructed or slowed, the level of bile (bilirubin) becomes elevated in the blood to above 20 and the patient may turn yellow (jaundiced).

If your GGT is above 100, and your ALT is above 80 and your ALP is less than 200
This could mean that:

The liver cells are inflamed by certain viruses such as the Hepatitis A, B or C viruses or the glandular fever virus (Epstein Barr Virus).
You are taking liver toxic drugs or drinking excess alcohol
You have a fatty liver
If your GGT is above 100, and your ALT is above 80 and your ALP is above 200
This could mean that the liver cells are damaged plus there is slowing or obstruction to the flow of bile and this can occur in the following liver diseases:

Acute hepatitis from viral infections or drug or alcohol toxicity
Chronic (long term) hepatitis from viral infections, alcohol excess or autoimmune diseases
Tumours inside or near the liver which obstruct the flow of bile
Scarring of the liver (cirrhosis)
Note: in alcoholic liver disease the level of the other liver enzyme AST is often elevated to high levels as well, and is usually higher than the level of ALT.

Non-alcoholic fatty liver disease

Non-alcoholic fatty liver disease (NAFLD) represents the most common form of liver disease and is considered to be the liver manifestation of Syndrome X (the metabolic syndrome).

Within the degrees and types of NAFLD, simple fatty accumulation (hepatic steatosis) is not considered to be highly dangerous in itself although it can lead to weight excess and diabetes. However the more severe form of fatty liver known as non-alcoholic steato-hepatitis (NASH) may progress to cirrhosis and liver failure. The distinction can be made by liver biopsy.

There is not complete agreement on the criteria for diagnosis or the features used for grading and staging lesions. Both types of fatty liver disease are reversible and the key is earlier diagnosis and the use of nutritional medicine.