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Post by vark on Feb 15, 2014 19:44:46 GMT -5
they list a $4300 and a $1500. new name, was gateway, cetero, pracs, etc. if anybody goes, give us a report.
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Post by ac on Feb 15, 2014 20:31:52 GMT -5
The per day pay seems really low. However, I have added them to my list.
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Post by vark on Feb 25, 2014 1:09:43 GMT -5
Friday, February 21, 2014 @ 5:54:00 PM
2014-3480 Females - Ages 18-60 - - Non-Smokers
Compensation: $7500
Notes: Females of non childbearing potential only
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Post by labrat1981 on Feb 25, 2014 11:52:41 GMT -5
Friday, February 21, 2014 @ 5:54:00 PM 2014-3480 Females - Ages 18-60 - - Non-Smokers Compensation: $7500 Notes: Females of non childbearing potential only
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Post by vark on Mar 23, 2014 23:16:58 GMT -5
I am there now. 2 12 day periods for $4k. i'll add details to the post later, it's bedtime now.
bad food but you don't have to eat it. not unusually bad, just hospital type food. lots of the old staff has come back. this place was built to do large weekend studies and it's not well set up for long stays. 20 guys in bunk beds in this room. 40 people in one big room for 10 days. claustrophobic. put lab rats under stress in too small a place and they tend to get violent.
hard chairs. blaring tv. newly reed, out of town management, things are confused. 80 % black, 70% male. maybe half on probation or parole. it's a bit like the morgantown place. not as bad as arkansas research which closed.they seem to have lost the local students who used to come here. some people got burned when pracs went bankrupt leaving people unpaid, so they are having trouble filling group 2 of this study. naltrexone, 1 shower in 7 days, this not an easy study. no clocks, no posted schedule, it's haphazard. but $4K is motivating everybody to try to follow the rules and get along. not that there are many rules. we wear tshirts with our study numbers on them, which works pretty well. i was able to find a little room off to the side that i commandeered as my office so i have a quiet place to get my work done, otherwise i'd be going crazy from the noise and drama.
it's kind of a vicious circle where conditions are bad, so they get the most desperate or hardened study-goers, so conditions get worse. at the buffalo clinic, the tvs are silent and you wear headphones to listen to them. that kind of a setup would be an easy fix to hugely improve things here, but i doubt anyone cares. another issue is the lack of outlets. there's one in the bunk room, a few along the edges of the big room, but none near our desks. luckily this computer has a decent battery. no lockers or anywhere to put your stuff except on your bunk. no washing machines. so if they wanted to make things better, they could another bunk room so we wouldn't be stuck on top bunks, get better chairs, more outlets, set the tv to closed caption, get lockers and washing machine, and institute some behavioral standards. but i don't expect to see any of this happen. bathrooms are locked at arbitrary times for no explained reason. that's usually a sign of a place that doesn't give a damn about subjects [cough covance cough]. they don't recycle, another clue that they lack a basic social conscience. after another group checked in, the internet slowed to a crawl and is pretty much unusable, and the naltrexone is making us zombies. tomorrow we get to shower. internet has been down most of past two days. i'm told they want to get all 10 clinics full all the time, which, if that works out, will mean no let up on the crowding, but lots of money. some people are saying they pay less than some other places, but for me $4k for 24 days with 2 weeks in between is ok. they repeat the same meals over and over.
We checked in 36 and 35 got in, better than I expected. They do tell you if you are an alternate before you check in, which can be crucial.
I had an issue come up at screening. Went in, did my procedures, was told i was done, left. Got an email the next day that I needed to come back. I said I wasn't eager to make another 500 mile trip. They said then I'd be out of the study. I was able to get through to a supervisor the next day and get it all worked out; I just came in a little early at check-in.
So there's a layer of the people who used to work there and screw up and don't care, another new layer of management who wants to get it right. If I hadn't been persistent, I would have paid for their mistake, either by another expensive trip or not being in the study.
in short this is a place i will go for the money but it's not a place i like. did i mention the money? right now they are screening for a $6200.
edit: the second session was more of the same. crowded, noisy. e.g.right now the tv is blaring real housewives of atlanta. i remembered to bring headphones and am listening to mozart just to kill some of the background noise.people are starting to refuse the meals, tired of the same thing over and over. my blood pressure is as high as i ever had at a study, partly from the meds, partly from the setting. a few people went home with the usual side-affects but nobody's bailed otherwise, and we check out tomorrow. i will try to stay away from here unless there are substantial changes, which i don't expect, but i could see myself coming back a few times because it's close, they have lots of studies, and i can get in.
questions to ask when you screen: how many square feet per person? is there a designated quiet area? are the subjects screened to keep out violent felons? are the meals repeated? what ent of participants would recommend it to their friends? how satisfied are participants, on a scale of 1-100? are there unresolved complaints to the irb? exactly when will i get paid? are the bathrooms kept locked sometimes without that being spelled out in the consent? will i get stuck with a top bunk?
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Post by steady on Apr 3, 2014 21:05:35 GMT -5
Totally agree with all you said about pharma medica. .There is no respect for fellow study participants..staff is fine just a thug atmosphere. .hope it gets better..
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Post by mike on Apr 6, 2014 21:44:07 GMT -5
By vark's description this place should be using monkeys for participants, not people. And $4K for 22-24 overnights is crap. I swear I must have been really spoiled doing all my studies in Texas and the Southwest, because I have never had to contend with such abysmal clinics.
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Post by monday2233 on Apr 8, 2014 16:04:58 GMT -5
By vark's description this place should be using monkeys for participants, not people. And $4K for 22-24 overnights is crap. I swear I must have been really spoiled doing all my studies in Texas and the Southwest, because I have never had to contend with such abysmal clinics. Texas has a bad reputation, according to many midwestern participants I've talked to. Covance Madison recently sent a team to Dallas to help them get their act together. Worldwide clinical trials is notoriously inhumane and disorganized. And it was Cetero's Houston lab that falsified trial data and employee logs, a scandal that brought down the entire company. |
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Post by mike on Apr 8, 2014 20:45:50 GMT -5
Well Covance is Covance, I did a couple of studies at Covance Dallas and they were irritating but the clinic was clean, well run(maybe TOO well run...), and I had no significant problems with them.
I did at least 15 studies at Worldwide over about 4 years and again, never had a problem there; food is not great but not awful, it's clean, accommodations are not the Hilton but they are not bad, I never had any real problem with any of the staff - and they are a big clinic.
I did perhaps 10 studies at Icon San Antonio, wonderful clinic, it's like a vacation there.
I did somewhere around 40 or 50 studies in Texas over about 4 or 5 years, and I NEVER had to deal with substandard pay like vark mentions in this thread. I never had to deal with a place that was not clean or with food that was not fit to eat. I was never in a clinic that was falling down on basic accommodations and consideracy as vark describes. I never did a study in a place that the staff allowed to deteriorate into a dangerous ghetto by not controlling who they let into studies and then not controlling them once they were in the study.
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Post by vark on Jun 15, 2014 23:51:58 GMT -5
ST. CHARLES WILL BE RUNNING STUDIES AGAIN SOON!
Register online, and we will contact you when we start recruiting.
To thank you for registering, your name will be entered into a draw to win $1000!
no studies listed right now, last update 10 days ago. i wonder what's going on over there.
still, if we all register, odd are good one of us could win that $1000.
edit: tried to visit their toronto location, got turned back at the b, no passport, etc.
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Post by thedude on Aug 11, 2014 10:52:02 GMT -5
Anybody know what the secret is to being able to enroll and screen at this place? I've been trying to enroll in a study here since June with no luck. I've called them multiple times and they always tell me they don't have any studies available currently but they'll call me when they do. Are they just going through a dry period right now or soing? I don't get it cause all the other clinics on this forum I look at their websites and they all have multiple studies listed that ually refresh and update and this one never has any listed on their website and they always tell me the same thing when I call in that they don't have any right now. It's frustrating cause this is the closest one to where I live so naturally I'd like to participate and frequent it and I have some friends/acquaintances that are interested too that I could refer.
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Post by vark on Aug 13, 2014 15:33:02 GMT -5
i've been trying to find out if they aren't doing studies, or the studies are just up for a short time because they fill up quickly. the email they sent me when i asked was a little evasive. since you are local, the best bet is to walk into screening and ask if they have anything. it used to be they had lots of studies that filled up quick. now that they are under new management, it isn't clear if they are getting studies or not. i haven't seen any listed.
if you want to do a bit of detective work, try calling the toronto office. meanwhile, go somewhere else. i hate to recommend covance evansville, but it might be your best bet.
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Post by mike on Aug 14, 2014 18:10:08 GMT -5
Are you planning to eventually get a passport and try going to Toronto again in the future, or is that more of an investment than you want to make?
I am just curious about how it would go doing a Canadian study.
Last time I looked a passport runs soing approaching $200? Assuming there are not other factors you have to take care of before you can be approved for the passport.
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Post by vark on Sept 3, 2014 6:56:55 GMT -5
for most of us getting the passport and visiting toronto would be a reasonable investment. in my case they seem to have me flagged as a troublemaker and it would be difficult to get in even with a passport, which i will eventually get around to getting. toronto's a great city and worth visiting studies or not, and i like the buffalo clinic which is nearby.
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Post by mike on Sept 3, 2014 14:37:22 GMT -5
I coincidentally was just looking into getting a passport yesterday, and there are two kinds; a passport book and a passport card. Apparently the card is all you would need for Canada, "Valid only for return to the U.S. by land or sea from Canada, Mexico, Bermuda, and the Caribbean" and it is only $30 (plus a $25 fee) as opposed to the passport book which is $110 plus fees.
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