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Post by asdfasdf on Mar 26, 2014 11:43:30 GMT -5
Careful if you call to screen for the new $5750 radiolabel study in Madison. I know everyone lies like crazy, but even as such - I admitted to using for sleep (due to stress, not actual insomnia or anything) a couple times 3 years ago and just that got me disqualified, I wasn't really comfortable lying about soing so mundane because who hasn't ever taken a benzo? They're fine with surgeries too which almost always entail pretty serious benzos and opioids. Shame, since I think I like them best for longer stays. It's kinda like a cargo cult, if they pretend they're doing science then they can pretend their results are pristine.
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Post by vark on Apr 21, 2014 11:14:23 GMT -5
"It's kinda like a cargo cult, if they pretend they're doing science then they can pretend their results are pristine."
well that's the game, we pretend to be pristine so they can pretend to be doing science. the less you lie, the less work you will get. it's an elaborate farce, and you have to know your lines. which are usually "no" and sometimes "yes."
i just talked to a guy this morning who said it took him over a month to get his check from covance, that he got the BBB and the state authorities involved. but that's not typical, i never had a problem getting paid at covance; i had other problems there.
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Post by idoitforthepong on May 13, 2014 11:52:12 GMT -5
Well maybe i'm missing out on the fun but i haven't ever taken benzo... but i do dabble in dangerous "contraband" such as a ibuprofen, multi vitamins and fish oil when i feel the need. I too have gotten caught in the "i'm sure they wont care if i admit to takeing a advil ten days ago trap" thinking being a little honest would be a good thing...but NO. These nurses want to punish someone for one minor admittance when they most likely know that 90% of the subjects are lieing about such things...well then they are just as guilty in my eyes!
I would really like to know what one zanax years ago or one 200mg dose of ibuprofen three weeks before dosing can do to ones body that would actually affect the study?? Is it just bureaucracy throwing buffer dates out there just to be super super safe when the scientific evidence for such long restrictions is slim to none? I'd like to know since i believe that those of us that do lab ratting long term and consider it our "career" (temp or otherwise) DO have an obligation to help these studies get completed as accurately and scientifically sound as possible. I'd like to look back at the studies i've done know i've tried my best to help a drugs come to market with honest results. (Given big pharma wont alter statistics and data like some have done but i'd rather not exacerbate the problem if i don't have too.)
That being said, yes i may not be totally forthcoming about OTC drug use etc, but i do try to honor most of the restrictions while in a study, though that can be hard with multistays and OPVs....i do my best to keep my seville orange, killer work out and vitamin D binges till post study.
I like the idea that was mentioned on a different thread asking if rats supported washouts based on half lives. Then we could go about our work a little more honestly, get into studies faster and thus help clinics get the drug to market faster. seems like a win-win...but a long shoot to get the clinics to change their tune on that i'm guessing.
Thoughts?
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Post by tom on May 31, 2014 5:10:23 GMT -5
Just found out that I had a positive lab for nie. A false positive, since do not use. however now I'm in their system as a smoker. no way to argue with their lab results, so why even try. Once had a false pos for Hep C at Prism, however did not stop me from screening for future studies and of course never tested pos again.At Covance I would probably would have been banned for life.
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Post by labrat1981 on Jun 2, 2014 8:54:32 GMT -5
Watch out for the false positives for STDs. HAHA
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Post by veteran2 on Jan 29, 2017 20:10:57 GMT -5
Just found out that I had a positive lab for nie. A false positive, since do not use. however now I'm in their system as a smoker. no way to argue with their lab results, so why even try. Once had a false pos for Hep C at Prism, however did not stop me from screening for future studies and of course never tested pos again.At Covance I would probably would have been banned for life. If you test positive for soing there is no way you ingested. You should look up the washout period online for the drug and look back when you may have been exposed to the product. I have failed the nie test because I was in a smoky car for close to three hours with a smoking driver. |
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FloridaGirl
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I am new to Phase 1 clinical trials so I am trying to learn as much as I can .
Posts: 160
Location: Florida
I mainly do: Healthy Studies
# of studies I have done: 3
A little about me: I am just getting started in clinical trials . Became unemployed and was doing small outpatient studies until someone told me about Covance and it has ed up a new world of making money.
So I am trying to do more inpatient studies and am hoping to do even more next year.
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Post by FloridaGirl on Jan 29, 2017 21:27:07 GMT -5
Well maybe i'm missing out on the fun but i haven't ever taken benzo... but i do dabble in dangerous "contraband" such as a ibuprofen, multi vitamins and fish oil when i feel the need. I too have gotten caught in the "i'm sure they wont care if i admit to takeing a advil ten days ago trap" thinking being a little honest would be a good thing...but NO. These nurses want to punish someone for one minor admittance when they most likely know that 90% of the subjects are lieing about such things...well then they are just as guilty in my eyes! I would really like to know what one zanax years ago or one 200mg dose of ibuprofen three weeks before dosing can do to ones body that would actually affect the study?? Is it just bureaucracy throwing buffer dates out there just to be super super safe when the scientific evidence for such long restrictions is slim to none? I'd like to know since i believe that those of us that do lab ratting long term and consider it our "career" (temp or otherwise) DO have an obligation to help these studies get completed as accurately and scientifically sound as possible. I'd like to look back at the studies i've done know i've tried my best to help a drugs come to market with honest results. (Given big pharma wont alter statistics and data like some have done but i'd rather not exacerbate the problem if i don't have too.) That being said, yes i may not be totally forthcoming about OTC drug use etc, but i do try to honor most of the restrictions while in a study, though that can be hard with multistays and OPVs....i do my best to keep my seville orange, killer work out and vitamin D binges till post study. I like the idea that was mentioned on a different thread asking if rats supported washouts based on half lives. Then we could go about our work a little more honestly, get into studies faster and thus help clinics get the drug to market faster. seems like a win-win...but a long shoot to get the clinics to change their tune on that i'm guessing. Thoughts? Unfortunately we , who want to do studies, have to tell them what they want to hear. I really don't eat Seville oranges so that I am truthful about. When they ask questions,in my head, I am thinking if in doubt say no. It can get tricky but I am getting better at it. It is crazy but anything you say will be remembered and you can't take it back. i might have needed to take to Motrin a month ago but I would never admit to it. I don't admit to anything except being post menopausal. Thinking the only thing anti inflammatory drugs might do is thin your blood so I usually stay away from them for that reason. What is a wash out based on a half life? |
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Post by idoitforthepong on Feb 1, 2017 23:08:07 GMT -5
wash out based on half life would allow us to do studies after that drug has been eliminated (or very close to eliminated) in stead of waiting 30 days. some drugs are have a short half life and they are out of our system in days vs some are longer (like the studies with months of OPVs)
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FloridaGirl
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I am new to Phase 1 clinical trials so I am trying to learn as much as I can .
Posts: 160
Location: Florida
I mainly do: Healthy Studies
# of studies I have done: 3
A little about me: I am just getting started in clinical trials . Became unemployed and was doing small outpatient studies until someone told me about Covance and it has ed up a new world of making money.
So I am trying to do more inpatient studies and am hoping to do even more next year.
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Post by FloridaGirl on Feb 2, 2017 8:52:47 GMT -5
Ok thanks for the clarification.
I just know the thirty day rule, never thought about the fact that some drugs out of your system in a few days and some a week .
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