Doing Studies in Other Countries?

[pablopicasso]

As a US citizen, can I do studies that are located in other countries?

[idoitforthepong]

Basically NO. I called covance in UK and pharm medica in toronto and both said you have to be US/Canada citizen. If you have duel citizenship, have British spy friends or are great at forging documents/passports then maybe it could work out.

[carmel]

Let's say you could. Let's say you could fly to the UK right now and screen for a study. That's $800+ bucks one way to pay for the flight alone! What if you didn't get in? $1600+ down the drain.

[pablopicasso]

Mar 22, 2014 3:17:09 GMT -5 carmel said:

Let's say you could. Let's say you could fly to the UK right now and screen for a study. That's $800+ bucks one way to pay for the flight alone! What if you didn't get in? $1600+ down the drain.

Nah uh, reaalllly carmel!? I didnt know that. Thank you for reminding me how much international tickets cost. -_- I was asking because i plan on visiting a friend overseas but thanks for jumping to conclusions and thinking that i have the math skills of a 5 yr old.

[carmel]

Mar 22, 2014 7:34:06 GMT -5 pablopicasso said:

Nah uh, reaalllly carmel!? I didnt know that. Thank you for reminding me how much international tickets cost. -_- I was asking because i plan on visiting a friend overseas but thanks for jumping to conclusions and thinking that i have the math skills of a 5 yr old.

I didn't jump to any conclusions like that at all. I'm sorry you felt that way. Most people I've met have never been out of the country. If they have they've been to Canada or they briefly stepped foot into Tijuana.

[pablopicasso]

Mar 22, 2014 15:24:47 GMT -5 carmel said:

Mar 22, 2014 7:34:06 GMT -5 pablopicasso said:

Nah uh, reaalllly carmel!? I didnt know that. Thank you for reminding me how much international tickets cost. -_- I was asking because i plan on visiting a friend overseas but thanks for jumping to conclusions and thinking that i have the math skills of a 5 yr old.

I didn't jump to any conclusions like that at all. I'm sorry you felt that way. Most people I've met have never been out of the country. If they have they've been to Canada or they briefly stepped foot into Tijuana.

no hard feelings carmel .  I may come off a little sarcastic at times. Thanks for the concern though. 

[mike]

This subject has been visited before here, and it seems the main problem for a US citizen wanting to do studies in other countries (we are primarily talking about Canada or the UK) is that the other countries have requirements that we have health coverage. Apparently in Canada, this is doable because they only require that we have insurance that still covers us in Canada. But in the UK, it is more complicated since they don't really have health insurance; they would almost assuredly require you to be seen and thoroughly examined by a UK doctor, and then you would have to somehow qualify for being included in their health care system, which I'm sure would not be a problem for a US citizen on vacation with a tourist visa, but for someone who wants to do a study there, it might be more difficult; it might be prohibited.

[vark]

that's the best answer i've seen to this recurring question mike, thanks.
the industry is global, and the companies will wake up to he fact that it can be cheaper to send our jobs offshore,
where pay is cheaper, life is riskier, and the feeble protections of irbs may not exist.
i'd be willing to do studies in other countries just to check out the scene and get some travel paid for.
but there's no jalr that's global, so we mostly don't know. there are many countries in the world besides canada and england. (i've been to canada and stepped a toe over the b in matamoros.) in most of them, like the netherlands or miami, you have to know the native language. so the answer to pablo's question isn't no, it's maybe.
anyone have more concrete info?


edit: www.apotex.com/ca/en/rnd/studies.asp

www.biopharmaservices.ca/?page_id=326

may edit: note to self, get passport.
i did a study at pharmamedica in st charles and it makes me interested in going to pharmamedica in canada just to see the contrast. i am making enough from studies right now i can afford to eat some travel expenses on trips like this just to check things out.

i suppose you have to be in the uk to register with a GP there, not soing you could do online?

[windex]

In Toronto, BioPharma & Apotex are taking outsiders with a passport. Those 2 are 2 blocks away from each others and offer free parking.
From downtown Toronto, if no car, just take bus #165 from Yorkmills subway station, stay in the bus at Wilson Station same bus #165 from North or South direction in Yellow Line will take same time.
Inflamax in Mississauga also free parking

Lambda only take people with Ontario health card.

In province of Quebec, only local people with Health Card for Inventiv & Algorithm Pharma

[labraticuex]

I've done studies overseas. I did one in Edinburgh, Scotland and one in Belfast, N.Ireland, both back in 2006. I was spending 6 months in Europe and did them to help pay my travel expenses.

Here's what you need to do to be eligible for studies in the UK as a foreigner (unless it's changed since then):
Just register with a local GP ("general practitioner" doctor). Any tourist can do this and it's relatively inexpensive. (I think I only paid about $30-40) The only catch is that you then have to wait 3 months before you can do studies, as all UK clinics require you be registered with a GP in the UK for at least 3 months before you screen. (the Covance in Leeds actually requires you to be registered for at least a full year)

So if you're only visiting for a few weeks, you're SOL. But if you're staying in Europe for over 3 months or if you plan on making multiple trips over there, then you can do as many studies in the UK as you want. The only limitation is that their clinics insist on a 3-month washout period instead of the 1 month we're used to here.

[mike]

Thanks a lot for the info.

[mike]

Funny how Covance is still kind of a pain in the ***, even in England.

[sumguy14]

windex , does BioPharma & Apotex post upcoming studies