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Post by carmel on Jan 15, 2016 20:07:38 GMT -5
So it's happened again. Everyone knows about the deadly trial back in 2006 at the UK Paraxel location. This time it's happened at a trial center called Bio Trial/Bial in France. Here's the story: www.cnn.com/2016/01/15/health/france-drug-trial-goes-wrong/index.htmlIt was bound to happen again. It was just a matter of time. I urge you all find a way to make money without doing clinical trials. Learn a skill. Make jewelry and sell it online. Start a lawn mowing business. You can work for yourself if that is what you want. |
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Post by beatman on Jan 15, 2016 23:17:41 GMT -5
it's a drug that affect the brain and nervous system. i avoid trials that have drugs that affect the brain
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Post by respect on Jan 15, 2016 23:40:46 GMT -5
Breaking News: Phase l started this January leaves one brain dead and three other permanently brain damaged! Ranks like Parexel are no stranger to these outcomes.Just in the last year doctors have taken extra ordinary risk resulting in cardiac episodes. Other clinician seeing the risk would have made different decisions possible mitigating these events. It brings to question drug companies trying to save money by using Clnical Research Units. Often these profit centers are staffed with temps who are overworked and not as well trained as hospital or University staffs. This can lead to deadly mistakes. The cost can be human lives and possibly drugs that make it to market killing thousands.If this article makes you uncomfortable it should! Click on link cor more details nyti.ms/204MZ
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Post by respect on Jan 17, 2016 16:02:57 GMT -5
I urge you all find a way to make money without doing clinical trials. Learn a skill. Make jewelry and sell it online. Start a lawn mowing business. You can work for yourself if that is what you want. How many clinical trials have you completed? If memory serves, your posts are mostly about how you can never get past screening. How convenient, to conclude that volunteering is a bad idea. Betham, shame on you! One of our fellow participant is dead and others face a fight for their lives and all you can do is go after someone for failing screening. Its people like you why people dont RESPECT US. Our lives matter! You should be more afraid of the GREEDY MONSTER inside you than any drug in the future that could offer you the same faith! |
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Post by mike on Jan 17, 2016 16:25:29 GMT -5
labrat lives matter
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Post by vark on Jan 17, 2016 19:43:17 GMT -5
I urge you all find a way to make money without doing clinical trials. Learn a skill. Make jewelry and sell it online. Start a lawn mowing business. You can work for yourself if that is what you want. How many clinical trials have you completed? If memory serves, your posts are mostly about how you can never get past screening. How convenient, to conclude that volunteering is a bad idea. It's good advice. We should be doing trials because we want to, not because we are desperate because we don't have soing else to fall back on. I need to spend some time this year figuring out what else I can do instead. I need to go talk to some temp companies. It would improve things if I had a local gig available between studies; then i'd be more able to pick and choose good studies instead of just grabbing the first one i can get into. I'm not quite gung ho enough to back to being a dishwasher, janitor, or mcdonalds. I'm not sure i'm in good enough shape physically to do a blue collar job, mentally to do a white collar job. I'm thinking of picking up a CNA cert so I could work in a clinic someday. Anybody able to suggest a book, or online course, as a step in that direction? |
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Post by respect on Jan 17, 2016 22:52:39 GMT -5
Of course this is bottom-feeding, as a form of work. That isn't news. But the idea that it's dangerous? Statistically, compared to what? Two people say: we need to stop doing this. One of those can't get into any studies because of "white coat syndrome." The other has already said that he'll have to quit soon, because of his age. It's self-flattering to say "I shouldn't do this anymore," as if it were a noble decision, when you really don't have any choice. The headline is ...'MAN BRAIN DEAD'. My suspicion is your are missing a developed emotional center! His death was no cause of his. Your emotional death is unfortunate..It is self inflicted. Lets take a pause that someone like you like us met a very horrific end. Our condolences to his family. His life was not in vain. He died noblely and may have saved many more lives. May his soul rest in peace. Good night to him but not good bye! |
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Post by carmel on Jan 18, 2016 14:06:11 GMT -5
How many clinical trials have you completed? If memory serves, your posts are mostly about how you can never get past screening. How convenient, to conclude that volunteering is a bad idea. You're right, bentham. I've completed small studies, but never a big drug trial due to my white coat issues. When I saw the story it was an emotional reaction. I don't think it should make a difference, though. I struggle just like the rest of you do, and am always looking for ways to make more money on top of my current earnings. I've only looked at this as supplemental income, never soing to be passionate about. How is it possible to be passionate about being a lab rat? vark, I have loads of links to share where you can teach yourself whatever it is you want. I think becoming a CNA at your age you'll burn out fast. That is TOUGH work for very low wages. Fast food workers are now making nearly as much. |
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Post by carmel on Jan 18, 2016 18:32:07 GMT -5
Same tune as before: "I've utterly failed at this, so I will now pompously declare it to be beneath me, and ask those who've succeeded where I've failed to please have some self-respect." I look forward to more condemnations of volunteering from people who've never been able to get into any studies; are banned from half the clinics in the country; or are about to have to quit because of their age. Such interesting perspectives! No, it's nothing like that at all. You're being overly defensive for no reason at all. I wasn't condemning nor looking down on anyone. From the day I first became interested in studies I looked at it as a means to get myself from Point A to Point B, and never as a long term solution. You're the one that is doing the belittling here. You have no idea how frustrating it is for those of us who've struggled to get in. |
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Post by vark on Jan 20, 2016 15:36:20 GMT -5
"Of course this is bottom-feeding, as a form of work. That isn't news. But the idea that it's dangerous? Statistically, compared to what?"
I've always said that the most dangerous part of this life is the driving around we do, often long hauls at night with no caffeine.
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Post by mike on Jan 20, 2016 16:41:28 GMT -5
Yeah I'm not a professional insurance adjuster, but the fact that when you're in clinic, it is virtually impossible for you to be involved in a car accident or a violent domestic dispute; I believe your chances of death or injury in the clinic as a result of any drug or procedure is far less than that from other causes when you are out.
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Post by vark on Jan 20, 2016 17:30:01 GMT -5
oh, we had a violent domestic dispute here this morning. two of the subjects got into a yelling match, senior staff got called in.
apparently one of the subjects involved is the sister of a staff member, there's the domestic element, which explains some of the drama between them. no knife fights yet.
i just put on my ear plugs and head into the quiet room.
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Post by mike on Jan 20, 2016 17:54:06 GMT -5
Sure conflicts between subjects are not uncommon, but I have gotten to where I don't worry too much about that (or about theft even when there are people in the study that I know are thieves/scumbags/idiots) because for one thing it is unlikely that they could get a serious weapon into the study, plus I have noticed even complete potential Darwin Award candidates are able to somewhat behave when there is a multi-thousand dollar check riding on it.
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